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Mdreiver
8-24-06, 12:12 PM
This is a day fit for Cool and the Gang.

I'm a waiter for an 07S (as you may have picked up on from previous posts) and I needed a beater anyway. So I used this exercise as an opportunity to ditch the M3 early rather than keeping it until my Box came in.

I'm kicking myself for not driving the A3 before I purchased the M3. I have to tell you, it never would have happened. I never drove the standard suspension M3 nor a manual. But my competition pkg with SMG was a living nightmare. They got nothing right but ultimate power and interior fit and finish.

* The power band is way too peaky. On par with a Boxster running cold air intake and questionable software.
* The steering is hugely inaccurate.
* The brakes are way overboosted.
* The SMG can be driven smoothly (I know how to do it) but it's still the dumbest tranny I've ever driven.
*** If you downshift while braking, it provides "safety" by engine braking violently.
*** It double clutches on up and downshifts and leaves you between gears way too long. The fast shifts in the brochure are only possible near the redline. If you shift under 4k, it assumes you don't mind coasting for 1 or 2 seconds.
*** The auto mode is unusable b/c of the aforementioned slow shifts and the fact that unlike every other automatic on the planet, it won't use throttle position as input to the shifting algorithm. Yes, full floor does cause a downshift. But on upshifts, it will interrupt your acceleration for a very slow and clunky upshift even when you're accelerating that it can't possibly match after it shifts. The shift programs are idiotic and none of them work "right".

My final complaint with the M3 is that is too quiet and refined for a sports car but too rough and impolite to ever be enjoyed on a relaxing drive. I've been desensitized to speed after zooming around in a droptop for 5+ years. 100mph appears dull and boring in the M3 coupe. So, since you can't ever get real thrills out of it and you also can't just sit back and chill in it, it's horribly caught in no man's land.

I replaced it with an A3 Quattro. The DSG is devine. The ride is smooth and silky. Or in in UNIX,

# echo $MYCAR > ~scott/old_ride
# sed "s/M/A/g" ~scott/old_ride > ~scott/new_ride
# sed "s/unhappiness and disappointment/satisfaction and glee/g" ~scott/old_ride >> ~scott/new_ride
# rm -f ~scott/old_ride


The A3 is no sport's car and it's no 333bhp but my sport's car arrives in March so that's okay. :)

BoxsterBob - San Carlos
8-24-06, 02:47 PM
We knew you'd be back, congrats!

Let's hear the order specs.

akif
8-24-06, 03:15 PM
So...

is your username going to be "Sdreiver" from now on - once the wait is over?

... and maybe Adreiver while you're waiting?

;-)

BoxsterBob - San Carlos
8-24-06, 03:19 PM
I vote for Thanksgiving Kneecap or just revert back the DOD. :)

WC13
8-24-06, 05:00 PM
My vote is for DOD :D

I have not yet driven Audi's DSG, but had similar thoughts regarding the SMG (hence the Boxster S in my garage and not the M3 :p ). What is your opinion of the DSG?

Additionally, has anyone heard if/when Porsche will offer the DSG in the 987? I have heard rumors about it being offered in the 997 Turbo late this year, but I have not heard of anything beyond that. I am just starting to look into a 987S (excited about the 3.4L :D ) and would love to have the DSG, assuming it is everything the SMG is not.

Welcome back to the "club" donkey :)

Docdanracy
8-24-06, 05:08 PM
Nice Scott,

I have driven and ridden in an M3 with the SMG....on the track....At full throttle is was OK but it sure did jerk the car during upshifts....felt like everytime it shifted it was going to break something.:confused:
Like you said Scott, great HP, brakes overboosted, and not loud or taught enough for a sports car but too much of same for a street car...
Welcome back, so what are the specs on the new Porsche whip?

:rolleyes:

Spiral
8-24-06, 05:08 PM
Tell us more about the A3! Looks like a fun car. Hopefully Porsche will get something equivalent to DSG in the future. I want paddle shifters!

Mdreiver
8-25-06, 07:06 AM
Yeah, there is also one other thing that is *wrong* with the car I had. It had the competition package which actually did fix the pig like understeer of the stock car. But it was at the cost of comfort. It felt like swaybar issues where the car was prone to buck and toss you around if you went over a bump or dip sideways or with one wheel. But I've driven many miles on TRG swaybars so I know I have a tolerance for meaty bars. The only thing I can think of is maybe these sway bars are just really poorly matched to the ride height and spring and damper stiffness. [shrug]

My new car will have pretty much every functional option there is plus a lot of aluminum and aluminum-look trim.

The A3 is fairly well optioned. It has the cold weather package, sunroof, and technology package (blue tooth). It came with decent looking 17"s but they actually have a set of 18"s for $800!!! Not per wheel! :-) I want to eventually put blizzaks on the 17"s and get the 18"s with some *fun* rubber. But I have a very expensive Box to start re-saving for so that won't happen for a while.

Mdreiver
8-25-06, 07:27 AM
Hey!! I resemble that remark.

The DSG is truly the best auto tranny I've ever driven. It simply stays out of your way 100% all the time. So far, I have yet to need to override automatic control. The shifts are only perceptible to your ears as the engine is blipped for downshifts. It always seems to be in the right gear after slowing for a corner unlike the SMG which will only downshift at 1k rpm. It also does a good job holding onto gears *properly* when accelerating. So it's not just smoother and more seamless shifting, it's also got significantly better logic built into it.

I've driven the 996TT tip and I think this tranny is better. Of course, everything else about the Turbo was in a *slightly* [wink] higher class. That said, I don't like this tranny enough to put it in a Box. I would never buy an auto sports car but that's just me. If you are in the market for a Pcar with an auto, I think you'd prefer the DSG to the tip so let's hope Porsche adopts it.

Mdreiver
8-25-06, 07:32 AM
It's as short as my girlfriend's Tc (eyeballing it) but it has 4 doors and a decent trunk. It handle's okay for what I want. It's smooth and quiet and relaxing. The DSG rocks (see other replies). The steering feel is good and brakes are progressive and easy to modulate. It's not even close to a substitute for a Boxster or anything like that. But it is a wonderful car for all those beater situations (especially snow) and is a nice change of pace when you just want to chill out on the way to the store or a road trip.

Mdreiver
8-25-06, 07:36 AM
Sdreiver is no good cuz it's not an S3. ("drei" is german for 3). Adreiver would work great though but I think I'll give Tom a break from the name changes for a while. Mdreiver No More would be a good name though. ;-)